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TOPIC | Traveling Cats Submenu: Nursery

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SilverLately

Willowdale Grove

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account age 7/9

Jan 21, 2023 15:57:54
Having litters of kittens can realy clog up your village. As things stand right now, I understand that there are pros and cons to having families. I weighed those when I chose to breed my own cats and decided in favour of a family. This suggestion isn't to complain about that, just a quality of life suggestion to tip the scales a bit more into the 'pro' category in a game that has quite the robust breeding system but quite slow growth mechanics.

Introducing the Nursery! This post-village lodge building unlocks a Sub-tab of traveling cats where beans and their families can grow outside of the hustle and bustle of village life. Much like traveling cats, Nursery cats cannot do any jobs, do any gathering, engage in any scenarios (and do not count towards scenario total) or eat food from the lunchon. Unlike Travelers though, when sending cats to the Nursery you must send the entire family - The parent(s) and any of their current non-adult* (EDIT, probably should exclude adolescents as well) kittens. This means missing out on skilled job parents in favour of opening up active slots.

Nursery cats would draw from the total number of traveling cats, that is you could have 216 traveling cats or 200 traveling cats and 16 in the nursery. Additionally I feel that the Postal buff of allowing traveling cats to be placed in scenes should apply to nursery cats, and that adult nursery cats could send letters (Oh goodness or have a check for the cats age and have some special bean/young kitten letters that are just, like, a inky pawprint pressed into the page YES PLEASE).

Kittens and adults can move freely between the Village and the Nursery with the same cool-down as traveling cats. When Nursery kittens age up to adult* they and their parents automatically go into the Traveling Cats tab. When parents have kittens of multiple life stages (such as a much younger adoptive litter-mate), grown kittens would move to Travelers while the parents would stay with their still-kitten.

(* I say adult since cats need to be adults to go traveling but I personally think it should be Adolescent since that's when you can send them to other villages, and if I can send them to another village why can't I send them to loiter in the old woodlot for a week or so.)

Building the Nursery unlocks the Matron specialty profession. The Matron could potentially have any of the following benefits:
- Increase the cap of cats the nursery can hold based on HEALTH * EXTROVERSION or DETICATION (I'm thinking 10 cats base, up to 30 with max stats)
- Slightly increase the chance of larger litters based on HEALTH * BENEVOLENCE
- Slightly passively increase the statgains of nursery Beans based on BENEVOLENCE * HEALTH or PERCEPTION
(I'm gunning for health since it's not used in any other jobs but also interpreting it as, like, health knowledge like keeping the nursery sanitary, supporting expectant parents)

Anyways thank you for coming to my TED Talk
-- Last edited on Jan 26, 2023 12:53:22
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KayTheDragon

Clan Draconis

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account age 8/9

Jan 22, 2023 18:59:02
Much support! This is a great idea and very well thought out! I am currently drowning with beans and have nowhere to place them so I may be a bit biased though lol

There is only one "issue" I can see (Issue being in quotation marks cause it may not be that big of a problem). It could kinda be exploited by just throwing parents and their new litters into the nursery immediately after the beans are born. And then immediately taking parents out and tea-ing them, then repeating the process. In order to discourage this, maybe there could be some sort of caveat. Like extra cool down time or a wait before they can be thrown in (or both?).
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Woodnote

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Jan 24, 2023 17:53:11
I'd support! I got the option to make beans in scenarios today but I have so many kittens/beans and more on the way, I can't justify making more right now. I will change the part of sending the whole family including all non-adult kittens, where probably only the parents and all kitten-age or younger kittens need to be put in? (So essentially adolescents can keep hanging out in the main village - at that point the only things separating them from adults anyway are slightly lower size/stats and the inability to have partners/beans of their own.)
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SilverLately

Willowdale Grove

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account age 7/9

Jan 26, 2023 12:51:59
KayTheDragon said
There is only one "issue" I can see (Issue being in quotation marks cause it may not be that big of a problem). It could kinda be exploited by just throwing parents and their new litters into the nursery immediately after the beans are born. And then immediately taking parents out and tea-ing them, then repeating the process.


I'm confused by your use of immediately. Currently it's an 84(?) day cooldown on parents having new beans, and the implementation of a nursery wouldn't change that. Unless you mean immediately once their litter has aged up, in which case... yeah kinda? But IMO the cost of teaing the pair outweighs gains from the litter anyways, espically as the cat purchasing floor continues to fall.

rockheart0103 said
I will change the part of sending the whole family including all non-adult kittens, where probably only the parents and all kitten-age or younger kittens need to be put in? (So essentially adolescents can keep hanging out in the main village - at that point the only things separating them from adults anyway are slightly lower size/stats and the inability to have partners/beans of their own.)


Full disclosure - my first litter of beans are still young kittens so I'm still learning a bit about the mechanics. If partners are able to have new litters once their last litter are only adolescent then yes, I'd make it all kitten age and younger. My intention was to include multi-life-stage families as you might get with, say, an adopted bean and a a litter of two young kittens.
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Sallin

Longtail Beach

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account age 8/9

Jan 26, 2023 18:26:28
SilverLately said
KayTheDragon said
There is only one "issue" I can see (Issue being in quotation marks cause it may not be that big of a problem). It could kinda be exploited by just throwing parents and their new litters into the nursery immediately after the beans are born. And then immediately taking parents out and tea-ing them, then repeating the process.


I'm confused by your use of immediately. Currently it's an 84(?) day cooldown on parents having new beans, and the implementation of a nursery wouldn't change that. Unless you mean immediately once their litter has aged up, in which case... yeah kinda? But IMO the cost of teaing the pair outweighs gains from the litter anyways, espically as the cat purchasing floor continues to fall.


I think they're referring to another set of parents. As in, take one pair, give them beans, send them to the Nursery, take another pair, give them beans, send them to the Nursery, and so on until you have no pairs left unbean'd!

I do have to say that, yeah, the idea of not being able to use the parents or kittens for Jobs wouldn't be so much of a concern for me, as there are plenty of cats I have that I'd like to breed for their genetics, who have stats that aren't at all suited to jobs. Getting to move them out of the way so I can keep my skilled non-breeding cats on their jobs would be an additional bonus.

One way to counter that could be to limit the number of families that can live in the Nursery at a time - maybe additional family rooms could be purchased as a nice Paper Note sink like the additional Scenery slots?
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SilverLately

Willowdale Grove

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account age 7/9

Jan 28, 2023 9:14:02
Oh! Sorry if it wasn't clear, yes I imagine there would be a cap on the number of cats. In the OP I speculated that the nursery size might be dependent on the Matron specialty profession's stats, but I could also see it having un-lockable expansions as item sinks.

I'm also not sure if sizing should be based on the number of families or the number of cats. On the one hand, all other areas of PCE operate on a per cat basis. On the other hand, per family seems more "fair" since we don't have control over litter sizes and having room for 8 cats and having a litter of 3 and a litter of 2 means you can't put both in.

Either way, I feel a range between 8-24* cats or 2 - 8* families with the high ends being with all unlocks/max stats/whatever feels like a good balance between functionality, convenience, and accessibility while still putting a reasonable cap on the number of families a village can accommodate.
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